Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

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Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by knnknn » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:51 am

First of all: Prohashing is the most beautiful pool I have ever seen. The help section, the stats section, the functionality, everything. Congrats.

However, NiceHash still has this huge negative delta problem even when I follow the suggestion to use password parameters.

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Does anyone know current parameters that work best?
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Chris Sokolowski » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:10 am

Thank you for the kind words. It means a lot to us.

The h=parameter is specifically designed to deal with NiceHash's penalty, and that is what you will want to change. I would try increasing h= to at least h=5, and possibly going slightly higher depending on the results. Some of our other users have told me that above h=10 there is no further improvement in the NiceHash penalty (but profitability declines), but I can't confirm this. You'll have to experiment with h= to find the best balance between profitability and the NiceHash penalty.
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Steve Sokolowski » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:36 am

knnknn wrote:First of all: Prohashing is the most beautiful pool I have ever seen. The help section, the stats section, the functionality, everything. Congrats.

However, NiceHash still has this huge negative delta problem even when I follow the suggestion to use password parameters.

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Does anyone know current parameters that work best?
On Friday, I plan to add a new password argument to never refresh when a merge mined block becomes stale, even if the pool computes that it is profitable to do so.

I think that this new feature will help with NiceHash's delta. It will result in the loss of some revenue from merge mining, perhaps about 2% of total earnings for miners who use it, but if we can reduce NiceHash's delta by 10%, that would be a huge win.
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by knnknn » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:10 am

h=6 also gives me -25% Delta loss :|

What a pity.
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Steve Sokolowski » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:30 pm

knnknn wrote:h=6 also gives me -25% Delta loss :|

What a pity.
We'll have to see whether this new password argument that prevents work restarts for merge mined coins helps at all. Check back later in the week!
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Steve Sokolowski » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:20 pm

knnknn wrote:h=6 also gives me -25% Delta loss :|

What a pity.
Great news! This new feature is planned for release tonight. You can use "g=off."

Chris will post a tweet when the release has occurred, and you can try it out. Happy mining!
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by knnknn » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:28 am

Steve Sokolowski wrote:
knnknn wrote:You can use "g=off."
Should I additionally use the h= or d= parameter?
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Chris Sokolowski » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:36 am

Unfortunately, a bug showed up in the release tonight and I had to revert, so g=off is still not available until Steve gets a chance to debug the code today.

To answer your question about h= and d=, I am not sure how using g=off will affect h= since we can't figure out NiceHash calculates its penalty. In the best case scenario, g=off will prevent the penalty from occurring, and you won't have to use h=. In what I think is more likely, g=off will reduce the NiceHash penalty significantly but you will still need a h= parameter to get the NiceHash penalty low enough to make mining profitable.

d= should not affect NiceHash at all; a higher difficulty is intended to conserve bandwidth. I think NiceHash requires a share difficulty of at least 4096, but we have our pool configured to start at 4096 and automatically increase if necessary so you shouldn't need the d= parameter.
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by knnknn » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:25 am

Chris Sokolowski wrote: so g=off is still not available until Steve gets a chance to debug the code today.
The g parameter is mentioned now in the help section. Is it ready to use?
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Re: Is there a solution to NicheHash's negative deltas issue?

Post by Steve Sokolowski » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:50 am

knnknn wrote:
Chris Sokolowski wrote: so g=off is still not available until Steve gets a chance to debug the code today.
The g parameter is mentioned now in the help section. Is it ready to use?
No. We left the new website so as not to create two more website restarts, but the mining server is still using the old version. When Chris gets up in three hours, he plans to release the mining server, which I fixed this morning, right away.
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